"We are by inheritance from the animal - from the ape and so on - violent. Violence takes many forms, not merely brutal action, striking each other. Violence is a very complicated issue; it includes imitation, conformity, obedience; it exists when you pretend to be that which you are not." Krishnamurti.

the nature is not violent,
Our nature is to survive, we do lot of things to survive.
Huans plan what to do, much better than animals,
I have never seen an animal been violent.. their nature is a sour, survive.

Maybe even humans would be less violent if we knew we will have water, food and a plaze to exist on.. saftey.

Facts are facts Marko,

Nature is violent , yes, the reasons are natural order, humans have forms of violence very subtle and complex,

jorge,

"humans have forms of violence very subtle and complex, "

governments?

We all

It's more the context that you are in that makes the diference betewen violent and peacful behavior we have them both in order to survive....

sh

You gave me a problem,
I claim ature is not violent,
I also claim humas can be vilent,
I do even claim humans belongs to the nature.

Somewhere in this claims exist a fault.
And i dont want to remove any of theme.

I think it can be the generall view of nature.
Can we in generall say the nature is everything.

if huans are evil, then cososs is evel..
heh, I have to figure over this.

* can someone send me 10 dollar to a new keyboard :P

" We are violent. That is a fact. We get angry, we conform, we imitate, we follow, we are aggressive - and aggression takes many forms, the polite, gentle aggressiveness, with a kid glove, persuading you through affection. Thats a form of violence. Compelling you to think along a particular line, that is violence. Violence is also the acceptance of yourself as something that you are not. Violence is very, very complex and to understand it, to go into the very depths of it, one must see the fact first and not just affirm We should be non- violent. " ( Krishnamurti)